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This is the Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well podcast.
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I'm Lisa Salsbury.
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And this is episode 74.
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Get started today with rucking, with Steph Gaudreau.
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One reason I specifically named this episode get started today is because rocking is so easy to begin.
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You'll learn how minimal the equipment is.
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And if you already have a walking habit, which I hope that you do, it will be a seamless integration.
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You'll want to listen in today to learn all the reasons why this is such a powerful addition to your routine.
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And we discuss exactly what you need to do to get started.
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This week is Christmas.
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So I just want to take a moment and say Merry Christmas and happy new year.
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I hope you, my listeners have had a joyful month of December as you celebrate the holidays.
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I think there is maybe one day.
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Where there is some open slots left in 2023 for free sessions with me, if you want to get that in before the year end, definitely check the link in bio for that.
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I heard today from a woman that had a session with me back in September that she has been so encouraged by that free call that we did and the information here on the podcast.
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So consider giving yourself the best Christmas gift by making.
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Your health a priority.
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And get that book today.
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Welcome to Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well; the podcast for women who want to lose weight, but are tired of counting and calculating all the food.
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I'm your host, Lisa Salsbury.
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I'm a certified health and weight loss coach and life coach, and most importantly a recovered chronic dieter.
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I'll teach you to figure out why you are eating when you aren't hungry, instead of worrying so much about what you are eating.
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I am delighted to have Steph Gaudreau here on the podcast today.
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She is a sports nutritionist and personal trainer.
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I told her before we started, I actually am feeling a little starstruck.
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I've followed her for years.
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I feel like on Instagram and listen to her podcast.
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Um, I get kind of like, I'll binge several episodes and then I'll forget or something.
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And then I'll go back.
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I'm like, Oh man, I've missed so many.
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So she is a great wealth of information.
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So welcome Steph.
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Why don't you introduce yourself a little bit, tell us more about what you do and then we'll get going on our conversation.
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Yeah.
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Thanks for having me.
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It's great to sit down and chat and talk all things fitness and all the things we're going to get into.
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Um, so yeah, I'm a sports nutritionist and I primarily work with women over 40 who are looking to build their strength, maybe step into the gym for the first time, or just.
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Take what they're doing with weights and start seeing better results, um, to build muscle, to improve their performance, both in the gym and outside the gym, because it's truly my belief that strength is a catalyst to amazing things in our lives.
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And when.
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We feel stronger and we show up differently and we're, we're just more engaged in life, I think.
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So that's what I do on the training side.
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And of course the nutrition piece is part of that.
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So really helping people to understand how to adequately fuel our bodies, especially.
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As many of us in our forties and beyond have come from decades of dieting and diet culture and just really trying to take a different approach, you know, how to fuel for having the energy to do the things we want to do, build muscle and, and just show up and stay fully engaged.
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So I do both of those things kind of independently, but also together because they're both important in.
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And moving folks forward.
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So that's what I do.
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And that takes the form of different programs, coaching my podcast.
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And so I'm, I'm glad to be on the other side of the mic for once and just be able to relax and answer some questions.
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Yeah, great.
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I think your phrase of like strength is like the real key.
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I always just tell people exercise is the fountain of youth.
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Like there's nothing that has been shown to help us live longer for like basically all cause mortality than exercise.
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And.
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Specifically, I think for women to the weight training aspect,
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Absolutely.
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I've heard you talk about things about like picking up something heavy.
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I constantly am telling my clients, like, please use weights that are heavier than your purse that are heavier than your toddler.
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Right?
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Yes.
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Absolutely.
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I think in the past couple of years, I had my backpack that I carry with me sort of to jujitsu class and things like that.
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And it's got, you know, some other stuff in it, but it's not a tiny backpack.
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And so you think about how many people are carrying a very large purse or a backpack of some sorts.
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And I put it on the scale and it was almost 15 or 16 pounds.
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So there you go.
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I mean, your purse might weigh eight or 10 pounds, you know, as much as a gallon of milk or a gallon of water.
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And so, yeah, we have these things that we literally pick up and carry every day, but then we get into a gym scenario and we think, Oh, that's too heavy for me, or I should be really careful.
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But of course, safety is important and mitigating risk is is an important aspect of doing any kind of training.
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But I think sometimes we undersell ourselves of what we can do.
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Quite frankly.
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Well, and, and to just the whole problem with women of thinking that if they pick up something heavier or really, really lift that they're going to get, and I'm going to put this in air quotes, get bulky, right?
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it's really hard to build muscle.
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Like, I mean, I don't want to undersell what we can do as far as strength and stuff, but just the idea that women are going to get bulky if they, you know, bench press a couple of times a week, it just isn't going to happen.
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Mm hmm.
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And even especially as you're again, kind of in this midlife and, and beyond category of folks, we have more muscle protein breakdown as opposed to muscle protein synthesis.
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So we tend to be breaking down tissue faster than we're building.
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We tend to have anabolic resistance, which means again, it's harder for us to build Tissue must be really intentional, even with the things that we're doing.
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And I think it kind of comes from this era of seeing bodybuilders and the folks at the extreme ends of weight training.
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There's kind of two extreme ends of weight training.
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We've got our bodybuilders who are just trying to absolutely maximize their muscle mass quite often with the assistance of performance enhancing substances, but very intentional training and dieting.
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And it's a whole thing.
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And it takes in some cases, several years for people to build to what we would consider a peak physique.
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They're also probably doing it full time.
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They have a staff helping them and they're cutting so much water weight at the end for
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Mm hmm.
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That's not how they look all the time.
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Even if they have that muscle development, that's not how they're walking around because they've cut in order to, to do that, to make them show up.
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For sure.
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Yeah.
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So then we had the opposite sort of end of the spectrum, which are, you know, our sort of power lifters, our Olympic lifters who are really in there just trying to maximize the amount of weight that you're lifting for truly, if we're talking about power lifting one repetition at a time.
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You get three chances at your lifts.
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So there you go.
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And that is a very different type of training.
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And I think most people have, you know, we kind of think of the strong, the strong men, the strong women, those types of exhibition type events.
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We see people lifting these superhuman amounts of weight or building these superhuman physiques.
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And we think either one of those is going to happen to it's what, you know, I don't, I want to lift, but I don't want.
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my body to change in a way that I feel is unusual to me.
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And the reality is I've been lifting for 13 years consistently.
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I have yet to achieve bulkiness and women don't have the same hormonal Male you that it's going to take for even someone who has more male hormones to, to achieve more muscle mass.
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So we can absolutely make a huge progression in terms of what we want to do, but you know that the extremes that we tend to see as representing almost these caricatures of what's possible in terms of human performance or human aesthetics.
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These things are not what most people who are incorporating a little bit of strength training into their week are doing.
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And so you're not gonna, like you said, accidentally do, you know, a few sets of squats or some accessory work and end up unrecognizable to yourself.
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It's just not going to happen in that way.
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that's what really is going to help our metabolism, especially in, in this age at that age, you know, in the forties.
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So, um, I want to shift gears though, cause I don't want to take up too much time on just the lifting aspect.
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Although maybe I'll have you back on to talk about that.
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But what I really invited Steph on to talk about is rucking.
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So.
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This was one of those things where like, I heard about it, and then I saw it again and all of a sudden it was like everywhere in my feed and I'm like, what's happening?
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Why is this like, why are all these random people showing me this?
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You had Michael Easter on who is the author of comfort crisis.
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So I listened to that.
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I read the book.
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I was like, I'm all in.
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So I threw on a backpack.
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I threw in one of my plates from my home gym, just a 10 pound plate, padded it up, you know?
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And so I've been doing that and, and I'm into it.
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I'm like, okay, I want to talk about this more.
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And I've recommended it to clients.
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It just kind of feels like the, the idea that it's kind of like strength training for people that hate lifting weights and it's cardio for people that just want to lift weights.
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Cause it's kind of like the best of both worlds, but I want to get all of this information from you as the authority.
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I know you also did an episode on this.
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So let's start with what exactly it is.
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Rucking.
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It's R U C K I N G.
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A lot of people are, are like, what word are you even saying?
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Yes, my autocorrect is obsessed with calling it rocking, which is very obnoxious.
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So
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Mm
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what is rucking?
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Rucking is simply the concept of carrying load for distance.
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So carrying some kind of weight over a distance.
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Some kind of distance, generally longer distances than we would see if we were doing something like a farmer's carry within a workout where we might be walking for 50 feet and carrying a,fairly heavy weight in our hands or or something of that nature, sandbags or something like that.
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The term comes from the military term rucksack, which is a large backpack with equipment that many branches of the military will carry.
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And those packs can get extremely heavy, 80 to 100 pounds, depending on what kind of operator you're talking about, what kind of branch of the military or service.
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So that's, that's sort of the genesis of what we see now as more of the recreational pursuit.
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Of rucking, which is generally going to be carrying some kind of weight, either in a backpack style pack or a weight vest, typically on your human person, typically for longer distances and really just trying to build up that endurance to carry load.
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That's kind of in a nutshell what it is.
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Um, but you know, people have explored all sorts of interesting things with rucking.
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So, you know, training for events, training for backpacking, training for specifically going out and doing rucking competitions.
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There are other fitness, fitness competitions like.
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Decafit and High Rocks, which have rucking divisions.
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So it's become its own thing.
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You know, there are communities that have grown up around it, rucking clubs.
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So it's sort of that idea of like a running club, but you don't actually run.
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You typically get together and go for some kind of ruck together.
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So it's a nice, it's a nice way to get people together as a, as a group, usually locally and, and get out and have some fun.
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Yeah.
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Be social.
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I, I think I heard Peter, Peter at TSA too, that it's a nice,, like modulator among the group, because if you are more fit, you carry more weight.
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And I remember him saying like, he rocks like with his mom, I think it was, or some, uh, and so he's carrying a lot of weight.
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She's carrying a little bit of weight and then he's getting, the workout he needs as well as, you know, it's perfect for her.
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So I think that's kind of cool too.
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Cause like when I walk with my husband, he's significantly taller than me and walking with my older son is even more of a joke.
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I'm like, your legs go like up to my waist.
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And so they can just take much longer steps.
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They're just faster than I am.
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And so if we put on packs, I imagine we haven't done that, but I'm just imagining that that would kind of even it out a little bit.
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If they're carrying more weight, then they're going to be at my pace.
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Absolutely.
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I used to be a cyclist.
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I was a mountain biker and I would do a lot of road riding to train for mountain biking.
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And quite frequently I would go do group rides.
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And 95 percent of the people that I would go on group rides with were guys, and they were faster, they were bigger.
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And I had a heck of a time trying to hang on to the end of that, you know, you see lines of road cyclists, and there's slowest persons at the end.
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And that would be me trying so desperately to keep up with the pace that's set by the front of the pace line.
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And that was a really tough kind of.
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You know, training and experience running could be similar.
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So if you get together with friends, maybe you don't run at the same pace.
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So yeah, you're right.
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You could carry 10 pounds and somebody else could be carrying 45 pounds and it's relatively heavy, you know, a heavy weight for both of you.
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And you can still do this more social kind of group activity and be outside and enjoying your time together.
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So it is kind of a nice way to, to level the playing field there.
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So how much weight should you get started with?
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I, like I said, I just threw a 10 pound plate in a backpack.
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I already have, of course, anybody listening to this that wants to get me a GoRuck pack, free.
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Yeah, this is a good question.
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And you know, the way I think about this is typically I would say for most humans, 10 to 20 pounds is going to be that starting sweet spot.
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But some of that is going to depend on things like what is your strength level currently?
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How used to walking are you?
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If you don't have a walking habit yet, which is fine.
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I didn't until April of 2021.
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I didn't walk daily at all.
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So if you're not used to walking at all, now you're going to be walking with weight your.
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Level of cardiovascular conditioning can also factor in your body size.
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So if you're a small human who's relatively conditioned, maybe you haven't been strength training very much, I would start toward the lower end of that scale.
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And if you are, you know, it sounds like your husband's a tall, a tall human.
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Um, he may want to start with.
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a little bit more weight.
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And you can always scale up and do that very incrementally as well.
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So, you know, typically you want to start, I would say for most people in that range, if you're more conditioned, you've been lifting weights for longer, maybe you're a larger, taller human, you've got a bigger frame, then you might tend toward the higher end of that.
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But yeah, it's, it's amazing how quickly that weight will.
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Add up because again, we're not just walking down the end of the block and turning around and coming back.
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Typically, we're going for, you know, 20 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour, maybe you're walking three miles, maybe you build up to even further than that over time.
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So, you know, we're going to need to, I would say for most people start a little bit lower and then add up as you go.
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I think obviously always starting small is, is good.
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I notice with the pack that I'm using, the weight is pretty low.
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Um, it's kind of around my waist area, just kind of right above.
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my butt basically.
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And I wondered about the rucks, the like real rucksacks.
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I know you have a go ruck and which is the most popular brand that puts the weight kind of higher, a little bit more like between the shoulder blades.
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Can you carry more?
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If you have a proper pack that puts the weight where it's quote unquote supposed to be.
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Yeah, that's a really great question.
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I almost think about a pack that's designed for the purpose of rucking.
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Again, for the, the fitness pursuit of rucking, we're not talking about you're a member of the military maybe, and you're trying to carry an 80 pound, a hundred pound rucksack.
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Kind of a different situation, but let's say you're interested in something like this.
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the packs that are, purposely made for this have a sleeve.
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I wish I had mine here so I could do a show and tell, but it has a sleeve that goes along the entire back of the backpack.
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And you would slide a plate, typically that's made for the purpose, although you could probably slide a weight plate in there too.
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And that will keep the load against your spine.
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And it will also distribute the load from top to bottom.
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And you're right.
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Sometimes when people are starting out on I'm always somebody who's a slow adopter for new things.
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Sometimes I'll try things out.
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I won't invest in stuff right away.
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I'll just see if I like it.
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So I totally get
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Right.
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That's totally what I'm doing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So if you sort of took a regular backpack and you put a weight in there, even if you had a dumbbell or something or something heavy, and you were able to put it in the bottom, you're right.
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That's going to hold all the weight down at the base of the pack.
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The idea with.
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The rucking backpacks that are made for this purpose is you can more evenly distribute the weight.
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It sits against your spine and it's less likely to shift and jostle around as you're walking.
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And it's almost like a compact turtle shell that you have on your back.
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So many people find that they're more comfortable because you're able to do things like, add a, you can have a hip belt, which helps to distribute the load, around your bottom part of your torso.
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As well as that chest strap and the way that the sleeve is positioned is made to take that weight and flatten it out against the back of the pack.
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So it's not all just sitting like a lump in the bottom of your bag and swinging about.
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And that's actually the opposite of what we want to see with The rock, we want the rock to be flush.
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We want it to be secure and not having that shifting side to side as we walk.
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I always make the joke, you know, we think about middle school kids in their backpacks and people think I make this up, but the other day yesterday I was out for a rock and I was walking by a school.
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There's a middle school near our house and kids are getting off the bus and their backpacks were.
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All those straps are all the way down and they're hanging by their hamstrings, basically.
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And that's the exact opposite of what we want to see.
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We want that pack to be, um, secure.