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This is the Eat Well Think Well Live Well podcast.
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I am Lisa Salisbury and this is episode 144, your Brain's Role in Weight Loss with Dr.
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Rebecca Jackson.
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Dr.
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Jackson is a brain health and development expert, author and researcher, and the Chief Programs Officer for Brain Balance, a holistic program designed to improve brain health development and connectivity to improve attention cognition.
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An emotional and behavioral regulation for all ages, as you'll hear, she is passionate about making neuroscience fun and applicable to everyday life, to improve how you feel and function.
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We will be discussing how to get your brain on board with your goals, how to stimulate it, and how to fuel it.
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You're not going to want to miss this one.
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Welcome to eat well.
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Well, the podcast for busy women who want to lose weight without constantly counting, tracking, or stressing over every bite.
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I'm Lisa Salsbury, a certified health weight loss and life coach, and most importantly, a recovered chronic dieter here.
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You'll learn to listen to your body and uncover the reasons you're reaching for food.
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When you're not truly hungry, freeing you to focus on a healthier, more fulfilling approach to eating.
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Welcome back to the Eat Well Think Well Live Well podcast.
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I am so delighted to have Dr.
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Rebecca Jackson here.
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She's the Chief Programs Officer for Brain Balance and a Brain Health Cognition and Development expert.
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Welcome, Dr.
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Jackson.
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Thank you so much for being here.
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Why don't you give us a little bit more introduction to yourself, what you do, and then we'll jump into our conversation.
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Sounds good, and thank you for having me, Lisa.
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Um, I guess I would start by introducing myself as a big science nerd.
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I love the brain.
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Um, I love learning about.
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What makes us tick as humans and how can we impact how we feel and function on a daily basis at every age.
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Um, so that's really what's driven my motivation and interest.
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Um, and through that motivation and passion, um, I've been a part of brain balance where we design, um, and build programs to build stronger, faster, more connected brains for kids, teens and adults to impact how we feel and function.
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Um, I published research on improving cognition and attention, emotional wellbeing.
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And I'm the author of a book called Back on Track, A Practical Guide to Help Kids of All Ages Thrive.
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And then I'm also a mom and a wife, so that's a little bit about me.
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Perfect.
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Thank you.
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So we connected because I, as, as my listeners know.
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Part of my podcast is about thinking well, and we do a lot of changing our thinking, using thinking to help us with our, um, eating choices, our movement choices, and the, the cognition model that, um, I use.
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And so I really wanted to get.
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Dr.
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Jackson's opinion or, you know, expertise here on the neurology behind all of this.
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And we were talking before, she's like, I can tell you why all the stuff that you do works, which is so cool.
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So, um, let's start with the, um, kind of the neurology of goal setting.
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How, it impacts our nutrition choices.
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Kind of like how do we.
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You know, set a goal and stick to it.
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So like from the perspective of the brain, how can we like, understand the brain's role in this goal setting?
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arena,
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This is a topic that when I really started to learn about the neurology behind it resonated so much with me.
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And I'll give the story first, and then I'll, I'll give the science.
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Um, my husband has made fun of my sisters and I for years about many different things, but specifically I.
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I mean they do.
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Um, but specifically around signing up for running half marathons.
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So my sisters and I all now have kids.
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We do it less these days than we did years ago, but it was not unheard of for us to sign up for a marathon and then not train, and then we'd go have a sister weekend together.
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So in some ways it was an excuse for a sister's weekend, but on the other hand, we would get so excited.
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Right.
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You we'd set a goal of, you know, what?
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We're gonna pick a location.
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We're gonna do the Virginia Beach Rock and Roll Marathon.
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We're gonna do the St.
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Patty's Day.
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And we would get so excited about this goal, and then sometimes we'd follow through on it and sometimes we wouldn't.
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Um, I'd like to say I think we ran more than we didn't.
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Um, but so then as I started reading about the neurology of goal setting and what's really happening in the brain, it gave me such aha moments about myself.
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So our brain loves setting a goal.
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When we set a goal.
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It's personal, it means a lot to us personally.
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We get a burst of dopamine.
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And what dopamine does for us is it gives us a burst of feel good energy.
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And so we're gonna feel motivated and excited.
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And for me, I love how I feel when I'm running consistently.
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Jeans also fit the best when I run consistently.
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So there's a vanity element to it.
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There's also a mental health.
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Um, and there's also that feeling of achievement when you do something so.
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That's why we loved setting the goal is because I knew that I would feel good accomplishing it, and it was a, a great excuse to have a sister's weekend, which we always love to do.
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But the challenge is dopamine doesn't stay active in our brain for long.
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And so we get that burst of excitement, like, we're gonna book the hotel, we're gonna book the flight.
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I'm gonna plan my running schedule and map out my training schedule.
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I'm maybe gonna go get a cute new running outfit.
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And, and then you get started and then life happens and you get sick.
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Or you know, something happens with the kids and the schedule changes, and before you know it, you're off track and the training doesn't happen.
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So.
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Really understanding.
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We need to break the goal down into smaller parts so that we can have, we've got a reengaged dopamine as often as possible.
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And going back to why did that goal mean a lot to you in the first place?
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What was it that motivated you about that goal and then trying to keep that personal motivation for you front and center, and then I think it's so important to understand that.
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Life is gonna derail you on your goal setting and goal achieving.
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And so you've gotta have a plan for that ahead of time.
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Um, and so, you know, one of the things for me is I, I travel a fair amount for work and it, it goes in waves and phases.
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But if I'm trying to run, you know, four or five times a week, that means I also need to run when I'm traveling.
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And so do I have a plan for that?
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Am I staying in a hotel where I can run outside from where I am?
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Am I packing the right clothes for, for inclement weather?
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Because otherwise it's really easy to wake up and say, uh, it's raining outside.
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I'm not gonna do it.
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Or I'm not familiar with this area.
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So when it comes to goal setting, identifying your hurdles ahead of time so that you can plan for it.
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So you've got a backup and a backup backup plan in place.
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Um, and then understanding how fatigue.
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Changes everything when, and one of the things that I say all the time that probably drives my kids nuts is a tired brain is a negative brain.
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And so when our brain runs out of the energy or fuel or resources it needs to do what we're asking it to do, we automatically go negative.
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And so if I'm feeling really tired and.
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I just wanna sleep in in the morning.
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I don't wanna go for a run.
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It's gonna be harder to do.
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And so I need to make sure that I'm giving my brain, excuse me, what it needs in order to be able to achieve that goal.
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So I need to make sure that I'm getting the rest I need to make sure that I'm getting the fuel, because that's gonna give my brain a better ability to be positive and stay positive, and to, to then be able to do the work that needs to go into achieving the goal.
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And then having those little micro goals.
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And so instead of, you know, setting up something that's three months long, you know, maybe your goal is, can I run three times this week?
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And then that's my goal.
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And then what, what can I do that I'm gonna feel really good about as a reward for achieving that goal?
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Maybe I'm gonna reward myself with.
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A fun yoga class that I enjoy, that I don't take the time to do, or maybe my reward's gonna be, you know, going out for dinner or going for a walk with a friend that I just love spending time with.
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What is, what is something that I can give myself to look forward to, so that we're just looking for those opportunities to, to release more dopamine in our system, to help us maintain that feeling of energy, positivity, and motivation to achieve the goal.
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Okay.
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That was a lot.
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I have questions.
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Okay.
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Um, so you kind of addressed it here at the end, but I wrote right at the beginning when you said we need to reengage dopamine as often as possible.
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So let me ask, do you mean by setting new mini goals?
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'cause that was how we first engaged it was by setting this big one.
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So do we, do we engage that dopamine or, um, get that dopamine hit by setting mini goals or by the rewards?
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Both.
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Both.
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And, and you know, when our brain is in a positive state, we're, we're gonna be more motivated to do hard things.
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And so you also, the dopamine also doesn't even need to be related to the reward.
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And so if you are keeping your brain and body.
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Feeling good, functioning well, then you are going to have more of the energy and resources to do the hard work and, you know, to, to relate it to eating.
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Eating is so habitual, right?
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There's so many things that we just do without even thinking about it.
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And, you know, maybe I'm working on reducing the number of added sugars and, and that's my goal.
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And, and that's something I'm prioritizing and working on.
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But then when I've got two minutes between meetings that I go run in the kitchen and grab something, it's so easy to, to grab the thing I always grab, you know, grab a handful of, of granola and just shovel it in my mouth when it's like, oh shoot.
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I was wanting to, to grab something different.
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I was wanting, you know, Hummer, hums some crackers instead, but I grabbed, the thing I always grabbed is, is when we're tired and we're running out of resources, we fall back on habits even more.
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Change requires energy and effort from the brain.
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It requires active thought and, and so does achieving a goal.
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And so we're not going to do the hard work to achieve the goal when we're on autopilot.
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And so in order to have the energy and resources.
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To put in the hard work, then we've gotta make sure that, that we're set up and equipped to do that.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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Yeah, yeah, totally.
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And I think, um, my listeners have heard me talk about a lot like getting your eating out of habit mode, bringing it back into the intentional brain so that we can make intentional choices.
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Because Yeah, when we're eating on autopilot, we.
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Tend to overeat because we're eating the same amount that we used to.
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And so it's not only just what we're grabbing but the amounts, um, you know, that we are always eating and, and we don't tend to question that when we're in autopilot.
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Um, another thing that you said was, having a plan for getting derailed, and I think this is probably the same concept, concept that I call obstacles and strategies where.
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Instead of thinking about all the things that you are gonna do, like absolutely buy the new running outfit, you know, download the app, the couch to 5K, whatever.
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You know, all of those like to do items.
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But then it's also the idea of like, and what are you going to do when.
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Fill in the blank.
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Terrible thing happens right when it's raining, when your cute outfit is in the, in the laundry, when you just don't feel like it.
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And so when we create a plan for when things don't go correctly, and I always relate this back to the, um, 2008 Olympics with Michael Phelps when his goggles started leaking.
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And he had a plan when my goggles leak, because that happens to swimmers, it's not an unusual setback.
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You know, it's not an unusual obstacle.
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if my goggles were to leak, I will count my strokes, and he knew how many strokes it was on the third length of that event.
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What, what that looked like.
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He had replayed that event so many times in his brain, the video tape in his brain that, you know, he of course won and, and got that gold medal.
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Um, but it's because he had a plan for when things he, he wasn't surprised by that negative thing happening.
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Like, nobody wants their goggles to leak.
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Nobody wants it to rain when it's running day, but when you're not surprised by the obstacle, I think that is, that's really helpful.
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Yeah, but I, I think of it in terms of life gives us hurdles and I can't always remove the hurdle, but what can I do to influence the hurdle?
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Like, can I make the hurdle a little bit shorter or can I push it off to the side a little bit?
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Or can I, you know, uh, and, and so.
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And you're exactly right where life life happens, and there's gonna be days where you have a really, really bad day at work where everything falls apart and you're exhausted.
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And you're stressed.
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Or a day when you have a really bad headache or an unexpected family emergency crops up and you've gotta drop everything and juggle 32 balls in addition to all the balls you juggle.
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That's life.
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It happens.
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And so.
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You're exactly right.
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Is, is just, it's when you set a goal, regardless of if the goal is physical activity or eating, or I wanna write a book, it, whatever the goal is, it's.
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Identify the hurdles ahead of time and what, what can you do?
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And so, um, I go back to the book example.
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That was, that was a life that was a just bucket list.
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Lifelong goal of mine was to write a book.
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I'm an avid reader and so I've always wanted to write a book and I started.
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Never finished one time and that I got as far as I signed with an agent and, and I, I just, I couldn't get it done.
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And that's always been just a disappointment I had in myself.
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And so when I set out to do it again, I needed to do it with a different plan.
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I needed to know that there was still gonna be travel hockey season and there was still gonna be work, and there are still gonna be all these demands.
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And so I had to build it into my schedule, and, and I needed flexibility within that.
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You know, I wasn't gonna be able to hit the number of dedicated hours every week.
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And so just again, having a plan for, those pieces to, to help keep me on track.
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Yeah, so good just to have, have a plan.
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And I think this probably relates to the next question I wanted to ask you, which is why is everything so much harder when we're tired?
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Uh, and obviously I talk about sleep a lot with my clients.
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Making good nutrition choices is so impacted by sleep, not just because the brain is tired, but because of the actual hormone, um, leptin, ghrelin influences that occur when we are fatigued.
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So, what can we do and why is it, from a brain perspective just so much harder?
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I'm gonna answer this by first talking about cognition and executive functions.
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So our executive functions.
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Are our ability to.
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Plan, prioritize, organize.
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It's our ability to be fluid and flexible to go with the flow when life happens and we've gotta change.
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It's our ability to regulate our mood and emotions.
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And so these are all the things that we need to be successful as an adult.
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These are the things that we watch for in our kids.
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If they're not going well, it's the why did you do your homework and not turn it in?
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You, you already did the work.
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It's the executive functions that allow us to execute on those tasks.
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But what our executive functions are is, is they're not just behaviors.
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They're the result of what's happening in our brain.
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So it's the behavior action that we see or don't see, but, but it all is stemming from the connectivity in our brain.
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So our executive functions rely on our cognitive abilities.
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And our cognitive abilities are our ability to direct and sustain our attention to process sensory information.
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So what I'm hearing and seeing our ability to block out distractions and have impulse control.
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And so when we have.
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A breakdown in what we're trying to do it, it's coming from our cognitive abilities, which stem from the brain.
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Our cognitive abilities, I think of as our precious resources.
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Our cognitive abilities are not abilities that we're born with.
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They are tied to our development.
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So, as you know, an infant's not born with the cognitive abilities.
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They need to thrive as an adult and to have executive functions.
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They develop over time through use and experience.
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But there are some of the last things to develop.
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They're some of the first things to decline.
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When we think about somebody aging, they lose auditory and visual processing.
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They start talking more slowly.
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They're missing this bits and pieces of information.
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Their attention starts to, to shorten.
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And so their, that impacts their memory.
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Um, so our cognitive resources are some of our most high demand resources in our brain.
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So they require a lot of support.
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To function.
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And so there's so many things that chip away at our cognitive abilities when we're stressed, it's diverting activation and energy from these high level brain functions.
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And now we're functioning in survival mode.
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How do I get through this next minute?
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How do I deal with the, the, you know, blow upper challenge?
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Rather than thinking about, okay, what do I need tomorrow?
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How do I plan for that project that's due next month?
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So stress chips away at our cognitive resources, which is gonna influence.
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Our executive functions, which are our choices and actions.
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Um, pain.
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So if you have chronic pain, if you're sick, those are all things that make it harder to function.
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So fatigue and fuel are also two big elements with that.
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And on the sleep piece.
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And there's a study that came out from Cambridge Brain Sciences several years ago, and they were looking at the impact of just very slight sleep deprivation on your cognitive functions.
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And they found just a couple nights of less.
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An adequate sleep and your brain, your cognitive abilities, functions as though you're mildly intoxicated, and so your ability to direct and sustain attention to to control your impulses.
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Goes down, we've, we've shifted the resources in your brain because the brain's prioritizing survival, not higher level thinking.
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And so, our cognitive abilities and our choices and actions and behaviors are high level functions that just require a lot to support.
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And a great way to understand this is, we all know the term hangry.
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You know, when you're hangry, when you're, you're so hungry.
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You can't concentrate.
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And I hit that point and my husband says, what do you want?
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I can't even make a decision on where we're going to eat.
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Or you know what?
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You can't think.
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You can't plan, you can't, again, you've run outta fuel and resources.
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So the brain is dropping down into survival mode.
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I know I need to eat right now and I'm cranky.
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And I'm irritable, irritable.