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This is Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well podcast.
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I'm Lisa Salisbury And this is episode 53 dreaming of weight loss.
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How sleep impacts your journey with Robyn powers.
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This episode is part of the LivWell pillar of the podcast as sleeping is one of those habits that affects our weight loss, but sort of indirectly.
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Meaning not sleeping well is not going to cause you to actually gain weight what it does is affect the way we are able to function in the world.
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And it affects, especially our hunger hormones.
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So we are getting different hunger signals on days that we aren't well rested as opposed to the days that we are What I mean by it affects your hunger hormones.
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Is that is the ghrelin and the leptin that you're going to hear us talking about.
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Spoiler.
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It's the reason you crave more carbs when you're tired.
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before we jump in, though, I want to remind you to subscribe to the show so that you don't miss next week's episode with my extra special guest last week.
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I teased it a little too, but this week I'll give you a hint that she is the person that introduced me to life coaching.
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She was my very first life coach.
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I couldn't be more thrilled that she said yes to being on the show.
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All right now for today's episode.
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Welcome to Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well; the podcast for women who want to lose weight, but are tired of counting and calculating all the food.
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I'm your host, Lisa Salsbury.
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I'm a certified health and weight loss coach and life coach, and most importantly a recovered chronic dieter.
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I'll teach you to figure out why you are eating when you aren't hungry, instead of worrying so much about what you are eating.
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My guest today is Robynn Powers.
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I am very excited about this episode because it's been a long time since we have talked about Sleep with an Expert.
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So, Robynn, welcome and please tell us a little bit about yourself and your background and what you do.
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Sure.
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Thanks for having me on, Lisa.
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My background is in women.
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Women's health and fitness.
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I've been working in the fitness industry for about 18 years now, and, uh, just recently switched over to helping women more holistically, not just with the physical aspect of, fitness, but also mental and nutritional and kinda all around, you know, everything that goes into living that healthy lifestyle.
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So I am a health coach for busy moms.
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I have a background in psychology also, uh, personal trainer, group fitness, pre and postnatal exercise specialist.
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So kinda a little bit of everything.
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And one of my most favorite topics to talk about is sleep habits and how they affect your overall health, because I think it's a kind of a neglected area.
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I think it's something that people.
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Tend to put on the back burner and maybe not really think about how it's really impacting their lives.
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Totally.
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I 100% agree.
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Sometimes it's the last thing we think of with regards to health or eating.
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It's like I.
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What are you even talking about?
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I'm, you know, I'm tracking my food, I'm doing my exercise.
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Like that doesn't have anything to do with it.
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And it has like everything to do with it.
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In fact, I, I had a client a couple days ago and she was feeling bad that she hadn't kept up with her movement routine that she had been doing for a while.
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And she said, well, I had been camping with my sister, slept on an air mattress, and it was freezing cold, like, It was terrible sleep.
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Terrible.
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And so essentially when she got home for a few days, she chose sleep instead of working out because she chose to sleep in and get a little extra.
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And I was like, absolutely, that is going to benefit you way more in those.
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Days, sometimes we do have to choose sleep.
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So let's get into it.
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What do you think is the relationship between lack of quality sleep and our ability to stick with our healthy habits or how it affects our healthy habits?
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I think it has a huge impact because when you are lacking that sleep, everything kind of goes downhill.
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Still your, your mood isn't as well as it should be, so you're feeling a little more depressed.
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I think everybody kind of knows when you're depressed, you're not thinking about, how do I live my life optimally?
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Right.
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You're just trying to get back to like an even.
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Field here.
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So you're not thinking about, oh, okay, let me plan the best meals.
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Let me make sure I'm doing the right exercises, getting the workouts in.
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You're not working on all those pieces that really help you live that healthy lifestyle because you're just too tired, you're not focused, you don't feel productive.
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And so that's kind of those things that you do to even better yourself.
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Kind of fall to the wayside because that's not even on your radar when you don't have the energy.
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How does that affect when someone is like, oh, I just don't really need as much sleep as other people or people that feel like I.
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I remember even as like as a child, my friend telling me, oh my dad, he only sleeps four hours a night.
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And I was like, that seems wrong to me.
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I like, even when I was little, I just thought, oh, I need a lot more sleep than that.
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Is there something wrong with me?
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And I feel like we have this idea that, oh, I do fine, but.
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What are some things that we are not realizing are happening because of lack of sleep when we think we're functioning fine, but really it, it could be like better.
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Right.
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So maybe, you know, you think you're getting enough sleep, but there's things that happen while you're sleeping.
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It's the reason for sleep is to reset, recharge.
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Kind of clean out those toxins in your body.
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So if you're not getting that sleep, those things aren't happening, which is gonna lead to all kinds of consequences.
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You know, not just low energy, not just feeling tired, but even put you at greater risk for all kinds of diseases or illnesses that you're not even probably putting together, because it's not like it's instantaneous, you know?
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Like, oh, I didn't sleep this week.
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Now I have cancer like that.
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That doesn't happen.
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So you're not.
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Really seeing immediate consequences necessarily, but you're not taking care of those long-term, uh, health issues either when you're not getting enough sleep.
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Mm-hmm.
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Can you talk a little bit more about what happens when we sleep?
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Yeah.
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So, when you're sleeping, that's the time that your body resets itself really.
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So the toxins are being flushed from your body.
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There are some things that can also affect that, such as eating before bed, drinking alcohol before bed, so that can affect it, but
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Affect it negatively, like mean it's not gonna happen if
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right, because your body is busy processing those things instead of working on clearing the toxins.
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But that aside, just sleep itself.
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That's when your body is healing, it's getting the toxins out.
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So if you're not doing that, you're setting yourself up for those problems.
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Right.
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And you're rebuilding.
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So say you had a really, you know, heavy workout that day cuz you're working on building muscle or you know, whatever it is you're working on, building endurance.
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If you're not giving your body that chance to rest and heal, then you're not gonna see the progress there either.
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So it's not just, you know, disease and illness, but it's also affecting your ability to improve on your physical fitness if that's something that you're working on.
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Okay.
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So every night isn't gonna be a great night.
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Obviously, we want to make the effort.
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To get those hours of sleep.
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I do have another episode where we talk a little bit more about sleep hygiene.
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So if you're struggling to get to bed and those kinds of things.
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I mean, really the simplest way to get eight hours of sleep.
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Which is the general recommendation is to go to bed eight hours before your alarm needs to go off.
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And it seems simple, right?
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It seems like, yeah, just do the math and go to bed.
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But things get in the way.
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Sometimes we don't, obviously, and then sometimes, you know, we wake up.
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It's not been a good a good night.
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So sometimes we are fatigued.
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How can we combat that on those days?
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And this is kind of along the lines where I talk to my clients about like you will overeat because we're not robots.
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And so we talk about strategies, what to do next.
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So what can we do to counteract some fatigue and keep it from affecting our weight loss goals?
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Absolutely.
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You know, we're not all perfect, we're we Don't live a perfect life where everything's gonna work out Exactly right.
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And yeah, you do have to make the effort to schedule that time for sleep.
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You can't just stay up late and then be like, oh, whoops, I'm supposed to be up in six hours.
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You know, you do have to think about it ahead time.
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And, um, having a consistent bedtime routine can really help.
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Um, things that you do that your body starts knowing, like, okay, this is time to shut down and be ready for sleep.
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But if you know something happens and you just didn't get that sleep, you know, here and there cuz it, it happens to all of us.
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Being aware, first off that certain things happen within your body when you don't get enough sleep can really help because then you start paying attention to these things as far as like, especially foods that you wanna eat.
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Can change based on how much sleep you get.
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So be aware that you might start feeling cravings for different things because you didn't get enough sleep.
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But once you're aware, I think it's easier to combat like, oh wait, I don't really need this candy bar.
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I'm just like craving it because I didn't get the sleep that I needed.
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So you know.
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I'm not gonna choose the candy bar cuz it's not really what I need.
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Let me pick some fruit.
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So I'm still craving something sweet, but it doesn't have to be a candy bar.
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I can go for some fruit.
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Getting those foods in that give you the nutrients, the vitamins and the minerals are gonna help boost your energy.
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Or, you know, don't go grab the, you know, gallon size coffee or, you know, adding, adding the caffeine and the energy drinks isn't gonna help you either.
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It's gonna set you up for that endless cycle of, okay, now I drank all this caffeine.
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Now I can't sleep tonight.
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Now I'm not getting enough sleep again tonight.
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It's just gonna snowball in you.
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It's gonna be so much harder to get back on track.
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Yeah.
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Caffeine use can be really detrimental to our sleep cycle.
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I know I've, brought this up on a couple of different interviews about reasonable caffeine use and seems like most of the experts I've.
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Interviewed have said, you know, somewhere between one and two cups of coffee equivalents, we're talking like a hundred to 200 grams of caffeine in the morning, eight to 10 hours prior to your bedtime.
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So again, that's another calculation you wanna do.
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Because of the half-life of caffeine, it does stick around.
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So in the afternoon, if we need a pick me up because we are fatigued, didn't get a good night's sleep, that's maybe where we wanna have a carb hit with.
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fruit like you're talking about, rather than going for either caffeine, extra coffee or the candy bar.
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So choosing some carbs to pick us up at that point would be better for your sleep routine than heading for more caffeine.
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Would you agree?
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Oh, definitely.
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Yeah.
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And, and it, it doesn't have to be even consuming anything.
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I mean, get up getting up and taking a short walk, going out, walking outside, into the sun, sunshine.
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Those are things that can boost your energy too.
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It doesn't have to be that I need to eat or drink something.
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Yes, that is such a good point.
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I appreciate you correcting me on that.
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And besides eating, let's talk about a few other things, so for sure.
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Like getting some sunshine, going for a walk.
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What else in the dead of winter if it were
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And the dead owner.
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Yeah, you must be like me and don't really like to be outside when it's cold.
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No, no, I don't really enjoy that.
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And right now it's lovely.
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We're talking here in the first part of the summer and so hopefully it won't be the dead of winter by the time I get this, um, out on the podcast.
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But, you know, we gotta have strategies for year round.
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Yeah, definitely.
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You know, I don't, I don't love it outside in the winter either, so you know, you can exercise in the house.
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Take a couple loops around inside your house.
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If you have a treadmill, if you have an exercise bike, if you wanna turn on the radio and dance for five minutes, you know it, it doesn't have to be some specific thing, just something that gets your blood flowing a little bit.
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Um, drinking more water.
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Make sure you get lots of water, can help boost your energy too.
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Perfect.
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Yeah, that is so important too.
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What a good.
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Foundation to remind ourselves of on, on this sleep episode.
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We think about these things that are like, how's that even possibly related to weight loss, sleep and water?
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But these foundations are, well, just that foundational to our weight loss and healthy habits.
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Absolutely.
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So, What about sleep with regards to hormones?
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I've talked a lot to a lot of different experts about hormones over the last couple of months, but tell me a little bit more about lack of quality sleep and what kind of hormonal changes that creates and does that keep us from losing weight?
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I kind of touched on a little bit already as far as you know, how, how you start to feel like you want.
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Certain kinds of foods, right?
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You get these cravings.
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So when we don't get enough sleep, it causes, Ghrelin to increase, which makes you crave it, makes you hungry, It makes you crave sugary and fatty things.
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Things that are gonna like boost that energy, short term at least.
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And then it also decreases leptin, which is the hormone that's responsible for making you feel full and satisfied.
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So if you have less of that, so now you're having cravings for the sugary and fat things, and then you're.
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Level of fullness goes down, so you just continue to eat more and more of it because your body's not telling you that you've had enough.
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That's like a huge thing if you're working on building a healthier diet and all of a sudden, like, or most days, if you're not getting enough sleep, you have these cravings that are so hard to, you know, overcome that just makes it that much harder for you to work on eating healthily.
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And then, um, cortisol levels increase.
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So, which we all know is a stress hormone, right?
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So it's not like you're actually stressing while you're sleeping, but your body releases that hormone because of the lack of sleep.
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So now you're getting this stress hormone.
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I think most people know that stress hormone can lead to weight gain, especially around the, the abdomen, the middle, which is.
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People least likely want to see the weight gain, right?
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They, that's where they're usually trying to get the weight off.
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If they're working on weight loss, But that also sets you up for things like heart disease and stroke and diabetes.
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So then your, um, having those cortisol levels increase in accumulating the fat on the abdomen.
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That is really, really helpful.
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There's so many changes that happen because of lack of sleep, and I think one thing that we, again, don't connect is that ghrelin and leptin hormone.
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Situation that you're having, you think like, why can't I control my cravings?
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And maybe you've listened to my cravings episodes and you've tried my, tips on thinking and, you know, processing and, and all of the life coaching type things I give you for cravings.
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Listen, if you don't have your sleep under control, it's very difficult to get on top of hormone problems.
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So we've got to get those in line first before we can really work on the thought part of what's going on with the cravings.
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And so I think a lot of people get really discouraged because the thought tools aren't working and.
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That's when we have to just check in like H how much are we sleeping?
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And chronically, not just last night, but in a chronic manner.
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So where do you see that affecting?
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Like how long?
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If somebody is like, okay, I'm a chronic under sleeper.
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And again, this is one of those things when we talk about emotions like depression or anxiety, I'm always on this podcast talking about.
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What I call little d depression, little a anxiety.
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This isn't clinical depression, clinical anxiety, things that need medication, but the, just the general emotions that we feel we are in a depressed state because we have not slept well or we feel nervous, we're a little bit anxious.
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So just so we're clear on that.
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But When we're talking about chronically unders slept, I'm not really so much talking about clinical insomnia that obviously you need to see a doctor.
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We're not doctors, but if you are a person who is chronically going to bed late because you are up reading or scrolling or online shopping or whatever, or maybe you're just working and you're like, no, this is.
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You know, I just need to work.
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If you're someone who doesn't make bedtime a priority, and now you've decided, okay, I am going to, so what I mean is we, we're not dealing with someone who has big eye insomnia, but someone who just isn't, hasn't made sleep a priority.
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So we've got someone who's chronically unders slept.
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How long would it take for that person to get their hormones sort of regulated by going to bed?
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Quote on time for, you know, how many days in a row, how, how long until we can sort of correct this problem.
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I mean, honestly, you know, with every night that you sleep the proper amount, it's gonna help you.
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I can tell you on, I used to be a chronic lack of sleep kind of person, and I've changed my weight in the last couple years.
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Ands made all the difference.
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so, you know, it's really not a, you know, set it and forget it type of thing, really.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Where it's not like, okay.
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I've done this for three weeks now I'm good.
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You know, like, it, it's gonna be something that you're, especially if it, it's been a problem in the past, it might be something you're continuously working on, you know, trying to increase that sleep.
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And with every night of adequate sleep, you're gonna improve, you're gonna have less of the cravings, you're gonna have less of the stress hormone.
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Um, so it's, it's not a set time.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Sure, yeah.
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It's gonna be bio-individual depending on how long you've been chronically under sleeping, but it's good to hear that with each night.
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We're gonna see improvements.
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So right away I think you're probably gonna see, we, we know right away on a day that we've unders slept, you're maybe not thinking as clearly.
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I'll tell you what, this is kind of a side note, but I've been at several sleep appointments with my mother.
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So my mom she's done several sleep studies.
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We've got her on a C P A P.
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She's switching to a BiPAP machine.
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She's a ter.
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It's, it's terrible.
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She's got, like, she stops breathing like 33 times an hour.
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It's severe sleep apnea.
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So, in talking with these doctors about sleep, What's been fascinating to me is that the reason she was referred for a sleep study in the very first place was for memory loss because she wasn't qualifying for what seemed to be, you know, dementia or Alzheimer's, and they're like, you, you have to see a sleep specialist prior to going into a neurologist.
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And sure enough, They are like, oh yeah, for sure.
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If you have short-term memory issues, we have to get the sleep under control well before we see a neurologist because we can't possibly know if there's.
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Actual memory issues until you're actually sleeping well and she thinks she sleeps through the night, which she does.
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It's just the stopping of breathing isn't creating adequate oxygen flow, so she's not getting into the correct sleep.
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So just a little side note, as far as like sleep apnea or snoring, if you have that.
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I mean, I've just been attending these appointments with her doctor and he's after me now because I.
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Admitted that I snore.
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And so he's like, I want you to get a sleep study.
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You've gotta go to your own doctor.
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You know?