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This is the Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well podcast.
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I'm Lisa Salsbury, and this is episode 104.
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Be it till you see it with Leslie Logan.
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Leslie is a second generation certified Pilates teacher breath, work habits and mindset coach.
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And the founder of online Pilates classes.com.
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We start by chatting about Pilates, of course, but quickly move into a fun discussion about the difference between fake it till you make it and be it till you see it.
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Spoiler alert.
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One gives you imposter syndrome and one doesn't.
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We also take a long look at what self-care is and how to incorporate it during your busy day movement is of course important to both of us.
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And we hope we inspire you to prioritize it as well.
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Welcome to Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well; the podcast for women who want to lose weight, but are tired of counting and calculating all the food.
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I'm your host, Lisa Salsbury.
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I'm a certified health and weight loss coach and life coach, and most importantly a recovered chronic dieter.
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I'll teach you to figure out why you are eating when you aren't hungry, instead of worrying so much about what you are eating.
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Welcome back to the eat well, think well, live well podcast.
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I'm delighted to have Lesley Logan, who is the host of the, be it till you see it podcast, also the founder of the online Pilates classes.
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com.
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So she reached out to me and I thought we'd have a great conversation.
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So welcome Lesley, tell us a little bit about yourself, how you came into the wellness space and, um, and we'll go from there.
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Um,
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really fun.
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I am honestly.
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My father was a big into sports.
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And so I grew up just as a very active person.
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Um, I got into college to do kinesiology.
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I thought I'd for sure be an athletic trainer for football teams.
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Like that was my dream.
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And I happened to have a really hard time with my right arm.
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I was having pains in my shoulder, which turned out to be from carpal tunnel as a 20 year old.
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Um, and so I switched my majors, but I never left the exercise fitness world.
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Um, and I happened to be invited to a class, which I laughed at the girl who invited me.
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I said, that can't do what you think it's going to do.
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It's an infomercial workout.
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It's B it's BS.
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It's BS.
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Um, but I wanted a friend.
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So I went to the class and I found and felt parts of my body I never felt before, which is a little weird for an athlete and someone who is very active, like, don't I know all the muscle?
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I mean, I studied them.
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Um, but I felt parts of myself I never felt before and I changed my work schedule so I could go every single day.
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And that led me down a whole path because I realized the more I moved my body, the more I connected to myself, the more I realized kind of what I wanted in life and like how I wanted to live my life.
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And I got more present and discovered I wanted to move to Los Angeles.
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And then from there, like there was just like a domino effect of like the more present you get and like what is making you happy and unhappy, the more honest you can get with yourself and the more I could prioritize the decisions I was making in my life.
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It wasn't just like kind of happening to me.
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I was kind of in control of it.
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And someone suggested I become a Pilates instructor.
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It was 2008 when I became a PELIS instructor, which is not really the time that most people are making job changes, but I did.
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And people thought I was crazy.
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They thought no one is going to pay for private sessions with you during this time.
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I got so busy teaching PELIS, I had to quit my job.
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Real job.
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And, uh, and that was an air quotes for those listening.
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And I've been doing it ever since it's led me all over the world.
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And that led me to setting mindset, setting habits, and really trying to understand like what makes it easy for some people to take time for them, their selves and their, and their movement practice and, and making choices that they know will make them feel better.
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And what.
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Um, and that's really helped me understand people who are different than myself, who can like, I said, I'm going to do something, but I'll just do it having the understanding of what it takes has and the science behind has been really cool.
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That's how I got here.
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perfect.
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Thank you.
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So we are definitely going to be talking about, um, mindset and some self care, but before we get into that, just like one quick question on Pilates, cause this is actually something I've always wondered myself, how, how would you define the difference?
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Because a lot of what you said, I feel like is similar to yoga practice and because Pilates refers to their workouts as.
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Like a practice.
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Whereas when I went to the gym this morning, like to lift weights, I just, I call it lifting or I don't call it like my lifting practice.
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Right.
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So that, that term seems to be unique to, both Pilates and yoga.
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How are they similar and different?
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And do you need both or?
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such a good question.
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Also, like, Doctors are practicing.
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And there's actually like, so like, there's like a couple.
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So, so I only bring that up because like, I think if people saw their workout as a practice, it would probably change how we think about working out too.
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So I don't know.
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I just see what it's like to use that word.
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Um, Pilates and yoga are actually very different.
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Now there are similarities, but those similarities, I would also say you could probably find an equal amount when it comes to.
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Uh, going to the gym and doing Pilates.
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So, uh, first and foremost, I think the reason why Pilates and yoga get put together is they're often found in the same studios.
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So even at gyms, they'll put Pilates in the same studio.
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Reason is they have the mats there, but they're the wrong mats.
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You should not be doing Pilates on a yoga mat ever.
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It's really not gonna be comfortable.
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It's not gonna be fun.
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You need a thicker mat for Pilates, but all that being said, so there is the mat practice of Pilates.
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and you'll also hear ref, I do reformer Pilates.
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I do this, it's all Pilates in my book.
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Um, it's just that there's a different piece of apparatus.
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You could do it on.
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So a different piece of equipment, right?
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You could do kettlebells or you could do barbells or you could do free weights.
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Right.
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so Pilates and yoga both can be done on a mat, but not always.
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Pilates can also be done on a bunch of a piece of equipment based on what your body needs.
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So unfortunately, a lot of people go to classes that are designed for, the average person and, and, and kind of, it's, it's a great workout.
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It's a great metabolic workout, but it might not be ideal.
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tailored to you.
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Um, however, those pieces of equipment are in existence because Joseph Pilate saw that people were struggling with his mat work and needed the reformer.
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They needed the tower Cadillac.
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They needed the one to chair to get the connections.
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So each piece of equipment Pilate actually challenges what we're doing.
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Um, but it's not like a practice makes a perfect, um, practice makes progress.
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Right.
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And so, the other similarities, I say that there's Pilates focuses on breath ish.
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Um, you D you breathe different differently in doing Pilates than you would in yoga.
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Yoga does a big diaphragmatic breath.
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They'd fill the belly, fill the lungs, exhale out the mouth.
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It's very important.
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And Pilates, we're actually trying to do in and out through the nose, more of a lateral breathing so you can keep your abdominals engaged.
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And then you're ideally not repeating an exercise.
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So you're going from one to the next.
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We're in yoga.
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You might repeat a pose depending on what type of yoga practices.
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Yeah.
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There's so many yoga practices out there.
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So I don't want any Yogi's like, she's wrong.
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I do a strong gut.
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Yes.
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There's an order.
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So like, uh, But and so there's a breath and then there's that mind mind body connection.
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Those are similar, but I would actually say that the intentions and behind each are very different and what you're trying to do.
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And while yoga can be strength based polize is strength based and does have flexibility components to it.
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But the idea is to connect and contract all of your muscles.
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You're working them all together evenly.
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Um, you're not overusing or overstretching anything at one time.
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but then if you look at like weight training, Pilates is very similar, right?
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You're trying to strengthen your muscles, you know, there's asymmetrical exercises, so it's all movement.
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And there's only so many ways the body moves, just the intentionality behind it.
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But what I love about Pilates is that its focus is to balance your imbalances, to work out the whole body at one time.
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Whereas at the gym, you could do a leg day, an arm day, a back day, right?
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In Pilates, it's the whole body, every exercise for the whole body.
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So hopefully that makes a little bit more sense for people trying to figure the two out.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's really helpful.
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Thank you.
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All right.
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So the name of your podcast is be it till you see it, which is so fascinating because as we were talking before, you said it's.
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It's quite different than fake it till you make it, which like you not a fan of that same.
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so tell us a little bit about that saying what that means to you and how that leads into, you know, really prioritizing yourself.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I'm so excited to talk about this because I remember being younger and seeing like Martha Stewart had like a reality TV show.
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It was kind of like The Apprentice and someone was like, well, we fake it till you make it.
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And Martha was like, you're fired.
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We never fake anything.
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And I laughed a little bit cause I'm like, Martha, really?
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Like some of the stuff that you're doing is kind of faking it.
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Right.
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But I did appreciate her approach to be like, we don't like, I just, it made me like stop in my tracks because I'm like, I hear it all the time.
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Fake it till you make it.
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The reality, the reality is, is most women struggle with faking anything.
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They feel like an imposter.
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They feel like a fraud.
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And I don't think anyone's an imposter.
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I think oftentimes we're just beginners at things and we're new to some things.
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And so instead of faking it and pretending like you're not.
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That already.
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What if you just acted as if you were so it's a little bit different.
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It's a different play on the same words.
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But how do you think about it?
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Is this if you were someone who prioritized yourself, if you were like looking at someone, you're like some woman that you're like, Oh, my gosh, it's all together.
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Okay, let's just pretend for a moment.
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Queen for a day.
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We snap our fingers like you're it.
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How does your life look?
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How are you filtering things?
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How are you making decisions?
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How are you spending your time?
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And then, instead of waiting until that happens, or, thinking that's never going to happen for you, what if you actually acted like that person today?
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If you were someone who prioritized yourself first, what are some decisions you would make about your morning?
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Would you hit snooze?
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Instead of, you know, would you actually like, rush out the door without like actually grabbing the gym bag or would you have back to the night before, like, these are just different decisions we would make.
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And if you can start to think if I'm already that person, what would I actually do right now in this moment?
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We can make different decisions for ourselves.
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Now, I'm not saying that you're going to end up with the hours of time that someone you envisioned would have, but what if, what if you actually made those decisions today?
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So another example.
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when I started my business, I had no idea what it was like to run a business.
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I had no idea.
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And I kept finding myself going, I don't know what I'm doing.
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I don't know what I'm doing.
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Well, guess what?
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If you keep saying, I don't know what I'm doing, or I don't have time or I'm not, I don't have these things.
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You won't.
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It's this really cool thing that happens.
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The universe proves to you.
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Correct.
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You don't.
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But instead I said, what if I did know if I was someone who knew how to run this business, what decision do I make in this moment?
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Would I be the person doing the thing?
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Oh, I probably would hire or ask someone who's an expert in that to do that thing.
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Right?
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So it's that be until you see, it just gives you a moment to take a pause.
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And instead of thinking that your life can't be what you want it to be, it could.
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And what decision would you make if it was, and that just so it makes us show up in a different way.
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If you're someone who's like, I want to eat well, if you're like, I don't have the money to eat well, I don't have the time to cook.
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I don't have these things.
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Well, what if you were someone who already was eating well?
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What decisions would you make at the grocery store?
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Or what decisions would you make when you're choosing what to order for dinner?
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Like, these, we can change our mindset by being until we see it, yet acting as if we already are that person.
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And those little changes, you know, they make, they add up.
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I think we get, uh, it's the opposite of perfectionism.
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Being until you see it, because you're, you're, you're doing the best you can, acting as if, and not waiting until it's perfectly timed and ready.
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I love the anecdote to, I don't know is.
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What if he did?
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because I was like, I'm not sure why I'm not sure.
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And so then.
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Inevitably when I have a new client come to me and I say, uh, What's going on for you as far as why, why do you think you can't lose weight?
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And they almost always go, I don't know.
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Right.
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Cause that's why they're coming to me.
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And I'm like, Well, Like based on your history or based on just random things, you may have seen on Google, like, What do you think might be the problem?
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If you did know, what, what do you think might it be?
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Well, I probably eat off my kids plates too often.
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Well, I probably snack too much during the day and then I'm not hungry for mealtimes.
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Like, it's always like, well, like you, you have so much wisdom inside you.
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And, and that is such a great question.
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Like, what if you did know?
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Is actually a really valid one.
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So I love that because that's something I use too, that, um, and I haven't thought of it as like being it and until you see it, but, yeah, I love that.
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Yeah, I think it can be.
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I love that you ask people that.
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I had this one coach who's like, what if you had to know?
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And that always like, I'm like, I was, uh, as a first born child who was like, it takes on too many of other people's responsibilities.
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I'm like, that makes me freeze a little bit, but I do like to go, what, well, what if I did, like, what if I did know it's a little bit like less pressure, you know, it lets you think what, what are we, you're right.
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We all have more wisdom.
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We all often know what the answer is.
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Like my grandmother was, um, Cereal dieter, like she knew all the things that it comes to health and weight loss.
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She knew them better than the doctors did.
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but I, I think really what it is, it's like watching her struggle with that was partly because people acted around her, like she didn't know how to lose weight or she didn't know how to be healthy.
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And she did.
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And if she, you know, maybe had people like you or people around who were just like, Hey, you know, like.
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What do you think it is?
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What do you think you could do?
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Then it becomes her decision on what she's doing in her life and not someone telling her what's going to work, right?
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And then we get to have this inner wisdom and make those choices for us.
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Oh
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for yourself, you're way more likely to do it than if someone just says, do this, follow this meal plan, eat these things, do this workout, when you're like, I think this is going to help me.
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So, which really is all about like I said, prioritizing yourself and getting into some of this self care stuff, because here's the thing, even if we're like, I think I probably snack too much, or I think I don't set my alarm early enough to, go to the gym.
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I even had someone say I just don't like my workout clothes.
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It's embarrassing to go to the gym, you know, but why are we not buying the new workout clothes?