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This is the Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well podcast.
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I'm Lisa Salsbury and this is episode 111.
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Home cooking made easy with Mel gunnel.
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If you follow any home cooking bloggers, you have probably heard of Mel's kitchen cafe.
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She's definitely an OJ when it comes to the food blogging world.
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And I was so excited That she accepted my invitation to come on the podcast.
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I'm passionate about helping you cook more from home and I'll touch on the very real health reasons why that is in the beginning.
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Mel is going to help us with ideas for getting dinner on the table quickly.
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Some semi-homemade ideas and what's really worth making from home.
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And what's better to just get as takeout on occasion.
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We also agree wholeheartedly on one of my favorite topics, which is planning.
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So listen for how we both make our meal plans specifically for dinner.
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But we also talk about some favorites for making lunch for yourself.
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Mel is delightful and it was such a pleasure to put a personality and a face to all of her lovely recipes.
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Welcome to Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well; the podcast for women who want to lose weight, but are tired of counting and calculating all the food.
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I'm your host, Lisa Salsbury.
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I'm a certified health and weight loss coach and life coach, and most importantly a recovered chronic dieter.
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I'll teach you to figure out why you are eating when you aren't hungry, instead of worrying so much about what you are eating.
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Welcome back to the Eat Well, Think Well, Live Well podcast.
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I am more than delighted to have Mel Gunnell here from Mel's Kitchen Cafe on the podcast.
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So excited that she accepted my invitation.
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We are going to be talking about cooking from home today.
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As you know, I've shared this a couple of times before, but according to a few studies and specifically on Harvard Health, People that cook at home have a healthier diet.
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They consume fewer calories.
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They're less likely to be obese or have type two diabetes.
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And even Harvard says a growing body of scientific evidence supports that teaching patients to cook from home is actually an effective medical intervention, which I find absolutely fascinating because It just seems like there's so much food available, like why do we really have to cook from home, but there is a growing body of evidence that says that the benefits of cooking from home are actually like a health, habit.
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it's just, it's beyond just learning to cook low fat.
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Like eating anything at home is actually going to improve your health markers, which I find super interesting.
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So, I wanted Mel to come on and help us.
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She is an accomplished food blogger and I would love for you to introduce yourself.
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Let us know how you came to that and just a little bit about what you do.
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Okay.
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Hi.
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Thanks for having me, Lisa.
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so I came into blogging unintentionally about 18 years ago, which is a little bit crazy because that puts me as a very definitive grandma in the blogging world.
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But, um, I just started a blog back when my kids were really little.
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And to be honest, I just needed to do something other than changing diapers and running around with my little kids, which I loved, but I wanted something else.
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So anyway, I started my blog.
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It was very much in intentional to just share recipes with my mom and my sisters who lived far across the country from me.
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And I took really bad pictures and some of my early recipes were really bad.
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And I just kind of started that way.
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So fast forward, you know, through the years, it's just kind of taken a life.
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On a life of its own.
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I've gotten more traffic and I remember when I first got my first comment, that wasn't my mom or my sister.
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And I thought there was some creepy stranger internet person and come to find out that person still follows me to this day.
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So that's kind of fun that they've seen.
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But anyway, so over the years, obviously blogging has changed in the sense of like how it's done and what we do.
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But, um, really, I feel like my motives are still the exact same that they were 17 or 18 years ago, which is I have a really strong love of food.
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And even more than that, I have a really strong love of sharing.
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Those recipes with the world and hopefully along the way, being able to give like approachable tips about life and how to make food for your family and still keep your sanity.
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So that's kind of where it started.
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And then where I am now kind of doing the same thing, just with a larger platform.
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Yeah.
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Well, and your photography apparently has gotten better because I think it always looks great.
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Well, thank goodness.
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I think I would have edged myself out of blogging forever.
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Had I stuck with the food.
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From the beginning.
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So, but I have learned a lot.
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I've learned a lot about photography.
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I've learned a ton about technical computer stuff that who knew would even be part of this.
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So I think sometimes people have this view that.
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Like I'm dancing and singing around my kitchen, you know, making chocolate chip cookies and dinner for my family every day and taking pictures.
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And the truth is I'm not, I mean, I do love cooking, but there's a whole flip side to the blog world, which is all of that backend stuff of, you know, optimizing and getting your posts ready and none of that really matters.
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To most people, except that it's like a whole, it's a whole ball of blogging business.
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But the truth is I wouldn't still be blogging if I didn't really love connecting with my readers and also just really love still putting out recipes that make me so happy.
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I want to cry.
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So,
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well, it's kind of like podcasting too.
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I love the conversations, but all the tech behind it.
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right, right.
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It's a mixed bag.
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So a lot of my clients want to cook more from home.
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They see the benefit.
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They, they hear me talk about it, but they're like, it just doesn't.
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Like taste is good.
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It's not as yummy as when I get it from takeout.
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So if you want to cook more from home, what do you think is the biggest difference in why food tastes different from home?
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Like what are we missing that we could be doing that maybe restaurants or ready made food has?
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Sure.
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I mean, I see that as maybe twofold, which is the first part being, what are our expectations of when we're eating out?
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If it's going through a drive through and grabbing fast food, which we all do, right?
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That's sometimes like a necessity.
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Sometimes that food is not going to be able to be replicated at home.
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I mean, quite honestly, like, it sounds silly, but like, McDonald's french fries.
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Like I can't make those at home and have them taste as good.
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Um, so in some ways I think it's that expectation of what are we really trying to replicate at home.
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But in, in general, if we're saying we just aren't getting that same, just like delicious taste at home, I would say a hundred percent.
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it would be Just seasoning your food correctly.
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And I think people are afraid to do that.
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And some of it, um, first of all, make sure the spices in your spice cupboard are not expired.
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So even me who cooks a lot and works through my spices, um, when spices are expired, they lose their taste.
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And so that is one thing to keep in mind that could be, but also don't be afraid to season food.
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I think bland food, it does not matter how much effort went into it.
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It does not matter the recipe.
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It doesn't matter how long it took and how.
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Beautiful.
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It is.
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But if food is bland, it's not going to taste good.
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So I think when food isn't tasting as good at home, I would say, let's address the expectations, but also like, let's season that food really well.
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And along with that, like, choose the right recipe that works for you.
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I mean, even for me, who I love to cook, I recognize there are some recipes and foods that are not approachable at home.
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And so even though I want to eat sushi, or I want to eat this, like amazing dish that I have at this really nice restaurant, uh, it's not going to taste the same at home because I don't probably have the same ingredients, access to the expensive ingredients, whatever, you know, whatever it is.
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And so I think sometimes we have to say there are foods I'm always going to enjoy better when I eat out.
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And then there's a lot of really approachable, delicious foods.
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And I think maybe stop comparing the two, like getting rid of that expectation that it has to taste the same might be different.
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So the other thing I think is I think for people that have eaten out a lot, our taste buds have to acclimate.
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To home cooked food a little bit.
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It is a little bit of a different taste.
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It's like a down home taste.
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And so letting yourself like being patient with yourself as you adjust to that different style of food and taste.
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I think it's just a process, but I think it's totally doable.
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Yeah, on the on the seasoning note, um, one of my favorite cooking technique books is the salt, fat, acid, heat.
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Great book.
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Yeah, it's a great book.
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And so when she talks about seasoning, It's not just the spices.
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It's not just the garlic and the paprika and the chili powder and those kinds of things, but it's really the salt and that you have to salt your food as it's cooking and that no amount of salt added at the table is going to make up for not properly seasoning with salt during the cooking process.
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And I just, That was really amazing to me, the way that she described that and just salting the water for grains and pastas and pre salting meats to really like get that seasoning in there.
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So I think that, that too, along with like the flavory kind of
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Yeah, absolutely.
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just the
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Salt is, I mean, salt will work wonders enough and that's salt.
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You know, I know people want to be careful of like sodium intake and things like that, but I don't think we're talking an excessive amount of salt here.
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I think we're talking about a really good amount to bring out the flavor.
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So I think what it's an excellent point to bring up.
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I totally agree with that.
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And the sodium content of salting at home is nothing compared to, um, packaged foods, restaurant foods, and, you know, a bag of chips, like, that's really where you, you're going to be concerned with sodium content.
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Salting your chicken is not the problem when we're talking about sodium.
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Yeah.
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Um, good.
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So, What do you find then that you like better?
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Homemade.
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So obviously we're like not trying to duplicate McDonald's french fries.
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'cause if you want that, like just go get them.
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That's
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Just go, go get them.
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Yeah.
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Also they're a dollar, right?
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So go
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Yeah.
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It's not worth the effort.
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So like what do you love?
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Homemade.
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I will say like, I think my pasta, like my, just like basic spaghetti is like way better than Olive Garden or like any kind of just like kind of chain Italian restaurant.
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I'm like.
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It's not even close.
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My kids are like, let's never go to Italian because we would rather just eat your spaghetti.
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right.
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do you, what do you think is better homemade than getting from a restaurant?
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I mean, this is subjective, right?
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Because it's kind of boiled down to my taste buds, but I would agree with you like same in our family, the Alfredo or spaghetti I make, it's hilarious to me.
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I make spaghetti a lot.
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And every single time, My husband, when he eats is like, Oh my gosh, your spaghetti is the best.
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And I'm like, we have this all the time.
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Like I just, it's, it's adorable.
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I'm so grateful.
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He's still raving about it, but basically that's like, if we were at a restaurant, I don't think anyone in my family would order spaghetti.
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Um, there's a couple other things.
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Some of them are like desserts.
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Like I, I don't order creme brulee anywhere because it is so easy to make at home and it is, you know, world's better.
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So that's something that I feel like at home, um, I would make the other thing for me that is really satisfying to make at home is just homemade bread, like breads, like breadsticks, homemade breadsticks or something.
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And a lot of those recipes.
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aren't really all that difficult.
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They don't take all day to make.
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And so for me, I find that's another thing that unless it's like a really high end restaurant or high end bakery, which I live in a small town, I don't, I don't have access to those things.
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Homemade bread is another one that I really like to make at home.
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And then the final one I would say is this sounds really silly because it's so simplistic, but.
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Yeah.
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I think when people can get a handle on taking over cooking meat and grilling, it really opens up this life changing aspect that you can eat pretty healthy at home, you know, high protein lean meats, but also really delicious.
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And it's so simple.
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So we grill a lot of meats.
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We smoke a lot of meats and that's kind of opened up.
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A way for me to be like, I don't think I would, I don't think I'd get this at a restaurant.
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Like I can make it at home and it's usually so much cheaper to do that.
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So those are a few things that come to mind.
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Even if you're buying really high quality meat, which that is one thing I would love for people to buy as high quality meat as you can afford because it does end up
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It does make a difference.
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easier.
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Yeah, you can kind of mess it up and it's not messed up, you know, but if like you, if you mess up really cheap chicken, it's never, you're never going to
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not, you're never going to ever want to make chicken again.
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So yeah.
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okay.
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If we're like trying to, trying to cook from home, but It's sounding overwhelming.
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What are some of your favorite, shortcuts that maybe you can kind of combine with, things you buy at the store and things you homemake?
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Like, I don't know if she's still on the Food Network, but one of those original Food Networks girls was, like, semi homemade, I don't
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Oh, I totally remember Sandra Lee.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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remember.
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And, like, half her stuff was using, like, a can of soup, which I'm like, eh, no, not
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so much hate too.
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And I was like really like, it was such a brilliant.
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It's such a brilliant way to view things.
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So I really feel like if people are overwhelmed with cooking at home, this, this diverges just a little bit from your question, but I would say the very first thing to do is to just sit down and plan a menu.
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I think, I think one of the biggest reasons it's overwhelming to a lot of people is What on earth do I even cook?
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And, and most of us are cooking, even if it's for ourselves, we have schedules, right?
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We have a work schedule and we have busy lives.
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And so when five o'clock rolls around is not the time.
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I mean, all of us are going to jump to something quick and easy and fast food or whatever in those moments.
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So, Planning a menu, I think is huge.
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It takes the guesswork out of what to eat.
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And, and I don't think it has to be like Monday meeting this Tuesday meeting this, but I really encourage people to say, look at your week and just plan even three to four meals, get the groceries for them.
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And then on that day, say, Oh, this meal slides into this day really well.
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So that you don't get to Tuesday and you're like, I actually don't have time or I'm not in the mood for, you know, chicken Alfredo or whatever it is.
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So I think planning a menu is really important,
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Sorry, let me, let me just interject here.
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That's exactly how I plan, by the way.
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And I love
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yeah,
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plan a grouping of meals, and then when it comes to the day, you pick, okay, so today this meal will fit best with my schedule.
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I love that way of planning.
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It's like, I call it like the fluid menu planning, where I think sometimes too rigid of menu planning is actually a curse and can turn people off to wanting to cook from home or even menu planning in the first place.
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But I do the same.
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I have these meals as if I have the ingredients.
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The other thing is, I, I would say don't over menu plan, don't plan seven meals in a week.
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Um, generally not many of us are.
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Cooking maybe seven homemade meals in a week, but you can include a leftover night, you know, pulling out the leftovers or, you know, something, something easy, but to your original question about how to help it not be overwhelming, I think starting really simply.
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So some of those like.
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I think what we have to say is we don't have to make every single thing from scratch, right?
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So if we decide that dinner needs to be like, let's say, you know, barbecue pulled pork sandwiches by the buns.
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You know what I mean?
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We're not, we're not having to like make homemade buns or homemade barbecue sauce.
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I think some of it is Especially if you're starting out is to start out into that slowly.
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And then if it becomes something that you want to do, or it becomes a hobby where you want to learn to bake the bread, bake the bread, but otherwise there's so many things I would say in any given meal, there's things that you're going to be able to do to.
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Like for lack of a better term, cut corners a little bit to make it a little bit more doable.
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So some of that is, um, one of my favorite hacks right now that's saving me is, um, Costco and I've seen him at Walmart and Albertson sells those microwavable rice packets and rice is not that hard to cook, but being able to pull out that microwavable rice packet and know that I'm just going to focus on the main component of dinner and we're just going to microwave the rice.
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Means we're still going to get a meal.
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Do you know what I mean?
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But it doesn't, it doesn't have to be every component.
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The other thing I would say, is not every weeknight meal or even a week weekend meal needs to have a million side dishes.
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So my favorite thing to do is what's in season.
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So we just chop up fresh fruit.
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I mean, very often like our side dishes, like fresh fruit and vegetables and, and then like a main dish.
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And so I think taking out this, this.
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Maybe expectation that every meal needs to have so many different components.
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A well rounded meal doesn't have to include five different homemade recipes, if that makes sense.
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I think we can include just fresh cut up vegetables with branch.
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If you want, you know, some dipping something in there and then taking a look at each recipe and saying, what of this can I buy and what of it can I, can I make and kind of go from there?
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Yeah.